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classified documents trial to begin mid may, smack dab in the middle of the 2024 election season. how both prosecutors and trump's defense are preparing. plus, no emotion whatsoever. that's how one official is describing the suspect in the gilgo beach killings. plus, new details on where investigators believe most of the crimes happened. and okay, you've heard us talk about barbie a lot, but what about "barbenheimer"? it is the battle of the blockblo blockbusterers or hottest double feature of the summer. we're following these stories and many more coming in here to "cnn news central." we are following some new developments in the two special counsel investigations that are facing former president trump. first, a trial date now set in
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trump's classified documents case. today a federal judge ordering the trial to start in may of next year, right in the middle of the gop primary calendar. and as a potential trump indictment looms in the other federal investigation into 2020 election interference, trump's newest attorney, john lauro, gave a possible preview of trump's legal team's defense. here it is. >> there's no need to appear in front of any grand jury right now. president trump did absolutely nothing wrong. he's done nothing criminal, and he's made his case that he was entitled to take these positions as president of the united states when he saw all these election discrepancies and irregularities going on. he did what any president was required to do because he took an oath. >> senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz and correspondent jeff zeleny with us here. i want to get started on the
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classified documents case. how did the judge pick this particular date? because it does fall at a very interesting point in the political calendar. >> yeah. it falls in may, late may. and it's going to be -- what we know now, a five-week trial at very least. that's what the justice department wants to present their side of the case. and you know, the justice department had asked for december. the trump team, they wanted it essentially didn't want a date, they wanted it to be clearly after the election. the judge when she set the order, it wasn't just that she said this should start at the end of may next year and picked it out of a hat. she actually backed through all of the dates that she would need and that the parties would need to go through all of the issues in this case. so they have to work through classified issues, they have to work through what the parameters of the trial are, what are the sort of things you can bring into the case before a jury, what are the things you can't talk about before a jury. all of that is now structured, and there's essentially
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deadlines, multiple deadlines a month in this case every month leading up to this may date. now, of course, dates in court move. it depends often on how firm the judge wants a date to be when they set it. but make no mistake the trump team is definitely going to try to tinker with the timing here. either move out the little things in the beginning so they can push the trial date later, or just go full bore into moving the trial date. >> what it means is once we get to this point, jeff, we really should know who the nominees are. the judge also should know whether donald trump is going to be the republican nominee most likely. >> reporter: it certainly will be pretty close to that time. here's why -- the vast majority of republican primaries will be done by mid and late may. there's a couple states that have their dates set at the beginning of june now. but they may move theirs up. but i was thinking back to eight years ago, in 2016, donald trump effectively clinched the nomination around the end of may.
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but this is coming just two months before the republican national convention. so the timing may actually be not all that great for him because say he does win the nomination which, of course, we don't know yet, but say he does, heading into general election with there kind of hanging over him, also is complicated. but the vast majority of primaries will be done which means that voters will have a say at least in this case long before any jurors do. >> would he make the argument if he, say, were the nominee or very likely to be, and could hkd really, this date would really interfere with the process? >> reporter: he has already argued that, that this shouldn't be something that he should have to do, sits in a trial -- sit in a trial while running for president. one of the things courts tend to do is try to divorce politics from what they're doing in court. the justice department had to get in to indict this case before there was a window or a perceived window that you're close to the election.
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but now it's in the hand of the court. it is up to the judge to determine whether that should factor in, or are there enough controls and experience in the judicial system to be able to handle a criminal trial with the seriousness it deserves without the politics being, you know, what governs it. >> if you did look at the politics of the polls, it's not that he's suffering for all of this, for all of these legal cases. >> in fact, the opposite. certainly in fundraising, one metric that we can judge by right now, it's been a boon for him. the march indictment was, the june was one, as well. this seems to be just judging by how many fundraising appeals we're getting. but again, each one of these cases has to be viewed individually and separately. and if there's another in georgia next month potentially, we will see, how does that impact this? one thing is clear, which we've known for a long time, but now it's crystal clear, that his court cases and his -- his political arguments are intertwined. i mean, the road to the campaign
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trail goes through several different jurisdictions of the courthouse, as well. >> yeah. very good point. thank you so much. boris? there are new developments in the gilgo beach serial killing investigation. since the past spring, officials have been operating on the theory that the suspect, rex heuermann, committed the killings inside his long island home where he's lived with his wife of 25 years and their kids. heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murder of three of the gilgo four. a group of women whose remains were discovered less than six miles from his house, along a short stretch of long island's gilgo beach back in 2010. the police say the investigation now spans four different states. cnn's jean casarez has been following this story for us. jean, what are you hearing from sources about what police have uncovered? >> reporter: crime scene investigators, they continue to comb that house on long island, new york. and this is actually the eighth day of processing what could be
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the primary crime scene because they've been working this theory for a while now, that they believe that he committed the murders inside the home. and they do have at this point, according to legal documents, circumstantial information that that occurred. first of all, in 2022 they learned for the first time that heuermann used burner phones to talk to his victims. and that he would call them to make dates with them, and the cell phone towers show he made the majority of those calls right near his architectural office on 5th avenue and 36th street at that point in time to those victims. and they had their own personal cell phones. the cell phone triangulation data shows -- and they didn't have this back in 2009, 2010 -- that those phones went from new york vicinity and new york city to massapequa where the family home was on the date that the victims went missing. they were never seen after that,
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and we're talking 2008 and 2009. they also know through travel data and phone data that heuermann's wife was out of town each and every time one of those three victims went missing. want you to listen to the sheriff of suffolk county as he talks about how important the evidence in the home is going to be. >> every piece of evidence that could be gathered, whether from storage containers or from his home could be valuable not only to the murders that he's currently being charged with, but more importantly if we can both connect him to other murders, whether they were in new york or other locations. >> reporter: here's the challenge -- these murders happened in 2009 and 2010. its believed -- that is a long time ago. and boris, if you were trying to find forensic evidence, evidence in the home to link the victims, to show they were in that home, that is a challenge at this
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point of time. >> jean casarez, thank you so much for bringing us that update. we want to mary ellen o'toole now. she's a former senior profiler for the fbi. mary, thank you so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. one of the things that really stood out to me in the reporting is this allegation that he potentially carried out these crimes inside his home. is there precedent for a suspected murderer to carry out crimes with his family nearby or at least living in the same area, but for them not to be aware that anything was going on? >> oh definitely. i mean, these individuals are known for taking a lot of risk in their crimes, and in fact they -- they'll import risk into their crimes to make it actually more exciting. so yes, there's precedent for that. and this also -- these are people that are arrogant individuals in terms of their personalities.
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so he would have assumed if he's like others, he would have assumed that he cleaned up after himself and that -- people would not be able to detect that something had gone on there. plus, i would imagine this is going to come out sooner rather than later. there were areas of that house that very likely were simply off limits to the rest of the family. in other words, he would have said don't come there, don't go in there, that's locked, it's personal, it's my space. because that's typical in other cases. i would suspects that that's a probability here. >> and mary, what does that and the potential for him to have carried out these crimes inside the home tell you about his mentality, about his frame of mind? >> well, again, it tells me that he's very confident, and it tells me that he's comfortable with risk taking, and the problem with that is with risk taking comes mistakes. he was very comfortable that he had control of that house and
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what went on inside that house to the point where he would bring a victim in there and then commit a murder inside that house. so i think that that's important to understand as part of his personality. and it also suggests to me that even though he disposed of the bodies outside, if there are other murder scenes, those will probably be inside, as well, because it affords him the privacy to spend time with the victims. and in these cases, i think it's particularly important. >> mary, we learned that police in south carolina towed a truck belonging to heuermann's brother. what does that suggest to you? >> well, it would suggest that there's a possibility or at least law enforcement thinks there is that he extended his crime sprees or his criminal behavior down to south carolina, and that part of that could have involved using a vehicle that belonged to another family member. and i -- you know, the audience
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is going to look at that and say how can you do that to another family member? how can you compromise them like that? but going back to his personality which is really important to understand, this is not someone -- if he's typical like other serial sexual killers, he doesn't care about his other family members. if he's compromised somebody, so be it as far as he's concerned. he has focused on himself. he has no empathy for other people, and you see that in how they treat their victims. but you also see that in terms of how they treat family members and how they can compromise family members. >> he wanted to know if the murder and arrest made the news. that describes a level of self-absorption. >> it really does. and the grandgrandiosity, that
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psychopath, cannot be underscored enough. it's all about them, it's all about getting the attention, even getting the attention as far as being a suspect in a series of sexual murders. it's attention. and it's very typical in serial sexual murder cases that these individuals will follow themselves in the media, and i've even had them tell me that they're better serial killers than other serial killers out there because i've interviewed a number of these people. they want to make sure that i understand they're not just good, they're really good. they're better than some counterparts who have been killing at the same time. it is amazing, and you have to really get into that personality to really understand what that trait of grand yosity really means. >> that is such a morbid and twisted perspective. mary ellen o'toole, thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us.
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>> you're welcome. the florida board of education just approved new standards on how black history should be taught. one kbaexample, quote, how slav developed skills that could be applied for their personal benefit. vice president kamala harris just touched down in florida to condemn this move. and also today, the justice department is threatening legal action against the state of texas over tactics that the state is taking to stop migrants. the texas governor just responding this hour. and it's a mix of veterans and rookies at the 2023 women's world cup. and the u.s. is hoping to once again win it all and make history in the process. first up, vietnam, we have a preview. dby this champ. and this future champ. and d if we proffer it, we know you'll proffer it too. he's cococky for a nineteen year old.
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expected to forcefully condemn the state board of education's newly approved set of standards on this topic. her visit to florida is a last-minute trip. this is coming on the heels of some fiery comments that she has already made about how the state appears to be trying to rewrite and suppress history. >> just yesterday in the state of florida they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery. they insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it. [ applause ] >> desantis is already attacking the vice president's comments, accusing the white house of lying to cover up an agenda to indoctrinate students. joining me now is florida state senator chevron jones, a democrat. thank you so much for taking the time to be with us ahead of this visit here. what is important for you to hear from the vice president when she visits florida today?
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>> first, thank you for having me, brianna. i also think it's important that the vice president points out that their commitment and their -- president biden and her's commitment to restore the soul of this nation. when president biden came in office four years ago, he made that clear. he wanted to bring this nation back together, away from a party that is continuously trying to separate and divide this country, especially what's happening in florida now. i think you'll hear a message of unity and a message that condemns what the state of florida has been doing and is doing currently now with our children and our education system. >> what's a little puzzling about what we're hearing from governor desantis is that these new black history education standards actually seem a bit like a turnaround from him, especially on this issue of the acoe massacre. in june of 2020 he signed a bill that in part requires florida students to learn interested 1920 election day riots. the 1920 ocoe election day
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riots. he signed later a law that approved the massacre compensation scholarship for descendants of the acoe massacre and for black students residing in the city. what do you think changed? >> i don't think there has been a change. what i think you see is republicans talking out of both sides of their mouth because back in january, this is the same governor that rejected a proposed curriculum for ap african american studies from being too woke. and his administration went as far as to say this course provides no educational value, and then they ended up walking that back and said that teaching african american history was fine as long as it's not too woke. of course, they failed to define what that means. the governor doesn't know what woke means. no one who's -- other than black people, african americans and historians, know what woke is. they don't know what woke is. they're saying this to rally up a days and continue to spew the hatred and bigotry that is happening across this country.
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>> governor desantis also says -- this is another volley that he has in his culture war. he's encouraging state officials to investigate bud light's parent company for failing, as he puts it, their fiduciary responsibility to stakeholders because, obviously, the state pension has some interest in this. do you think that's within his purview, do you think that is an appropriate use of his power? >> first of all, i think that the governor's trying to pull all rabbits out of the hat for his failing campaign that he has right now for him to become president. while the governor is trying to sue bud light, we have a failing property insurance crisis that we're dealing with in florida. we have a series of issues within our education system like a teacher shortage. we should still be talking about what we're going to do about reading proficiency amongst young people.
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none of those issues are being dealt with. the governor is doing everything but being the governor. what he did last legislative session, he changed the law where he can be the governor and run for president at the same time. right now people are hurting. people's pocketbooks are hurting. people's wallets are hurting. the governor's running for president, attacking everything else but attaching him to things that he should be dealing with, floridians. the 22 million people in his state right now who need his attention that he has ignored. >> he obviously has a base of supporters who like what he is doing. but it is incredibly divisive. we've seen the naacp issuing a travel advisory warning that florida is openly hostile toward african americans. you have the lgbtq advocacy groups, human rights campaign issuing a travel advisory for your state. do these warnings -- do they help him politically? >> well, if governor desantis believed that his way to power is punching down on individuals,
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if that's how he thinks he wins, he still loses. you lose because you are totally eliminating individuals inside your own state who call themselves floridians. and i also will point out one thing. he might think that it is expedient for him to become president, but it is having an economic impact on the state. you hear it from convention bureaus and hear it from a lot of our famous tourist spots that's happening now. it is having an economic impact on florida. and shame on the governor and republicans for continuing down this paths. >> well, sir, we appreciate your time today. chevron jones, thank you so much for being with us. boris? coming up on "cnn news central," ukrainian president zell just spoke at the -- zelenskyy just spoke at the aspen security forum giving an update on the counteroffensive against russia. his message is next. later, secretary of state antony blinken just spoke about the army private who bolted into north korea. details in moments.
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new this afternoon ukrainian president volodymer zelenskyy explains why his country's counteroffensive against russian troops has been slow to make headway. he says the operation started later than expected because ukraine didn't have enough
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munitions which come from its allies. his comment was delivered at the aspen security forum, a major foreign policy conference under way right now in colorado. cnn chief national security correspondent and co-anchor of "cnn news central" jim sciutto is there. jim, what's been the reaction from folks at the aspen security conference? >> reporter: i'll tell you, boris, a number of world leader here from the u.s., from europe, its partners around the world. and ukraine very much a focus of the conversation. russia, of course, china, as well. i will begin as i'm joined by the minister of state for security from the uk which has been very focused on ukraine since the start. begin with the comment from the ukrainian president, in effect placing some blame on the west for being slow in its delivery of weapons as a reason for the slow pace of the ukrainian counteroffensive. i wonder if you believe that's a fair criticism. >> the united kingdom has been absolutely at the forefront of
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delivery. you'll remember in february of '22 the uk was delivering anti-tank weapons that stopped the early russian advance. even when many thought kyiv was going to fall. since then we've been absolutely front and center with the delivery of armored vehicles, and now even with the training of pilots. prime minister sunak and defense secretary wallace have been absolutely the front of the queue to get weapons into kyiv and to help the ukrainian defense. >> reporter: can ukraine turn that around with this counteroffensive? president zelenskyy made the point that that delay allowed russia to dig in, and we've seen the consequences of that. the minefields, the trenches. >> and every day we're seeing ukrainian advances and russian defeats. it's quite clear that already this year, in the last period of this offense, we've seen the ukrainians liberate more territory than the russians have taken in the past 12 months. >> reporter: i want to talk about russia itself because, of course, there's enormous amount of attention here given the failed coup in recent weeks on the stability of putin's leadership. what is the uk's view, has he
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survived this, or is there still an ongoing challenge? >> look, it's a mafia gang that sits in the kremlin today. it's not a government in the way that you and i would recognize. so you're right, he's survived a coup. how many more? >> reporter: his life in danger? >> that's a question for his sidekicks and not a question for us. >> reporter: another focus of this conference is china. the threat to europe, increasingly competitive, sometimes hostile relationship. the u.s. has been talking about this for some time. in more recent years, europe has come on board, if that's the right expression, in terms of looking at china as a shared interest and a shared challenge. do you view china as a threat to the uk ask. to europe? >> the prime minister's been clear. we've just done our review refresh. in there we -- china is a challenge. you know, it really is. if you look at the way this which we're dealing with transnational pressure in the united kingdom, the chinese
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diaspora communities being affected by the chinese state, we're seeing interference inside the uk that's unacceptable. we're seeing that we need to partner in different areas. that's a challenge. >> reporter: one of those areas to partner is in the defense of taiwan. the uk has certainly made its feeling clear if china were to carry out a full-sedcale invasi, there would be a military defense of taiwan. do you see war on the horizon for the u.s. and allies in taiwan? >> that's a choice for china. i hope it doesn't make the wrong choice. the reality is that the uk has always recognized that separate states can recognize their own ways in which they behave. we've always had a good relationship not only with the united states in the region, of course, but with other countries like japan and the philippines. and work very closely with partners like indonesia. >> in recent days we've seen a heightening of tensions in the middle east around iran. you have the u.s. sending a whole new carrier battle group to the region in response to that. what is the -- uk has been highly involved in nuclear negotiation and so on. what is the uk view of the iran
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threat, direct threat to europe? is the threat of war real in that region? >> we've seen in the united kingdom in the last year or two, we've seen 15 or so attempts, attempted assassination, attempted attacks on people within the united kingdom. this is a very real threat and one that we've been calling out -- you've seen it i'm afraid in new york, washington, as you know. they have attempt the attack on the saudi -- attempted the attack on the saudi ambassador. this is a regime that expands violence around the world. it's a regime that is failing very badly. >> reporter: failing to the point of potential collapse of the leadership there? >> that's a decision for the iranian people. not a decision for us. but it's quite clear that it's lacking the sustainment that it would get from the people, and you've seen in the protests in the laugh year. >> reporter: lasting -- >> this is not passing. this is enduring. >> reporter: tom, administrator of state security for the uk. thank you so much for joining us. boris, i can assure you that the discussion here has been very
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serious about the genuine risk and not just from russia in europe, but china and asia and certainly something we're going to hear more about on our show in coming days and weeks. >> absolutely. a lot on the foreign policy front to cover. jim sciutto live from the aspen security conference. thanks for the important conversation. still ahead, the quest to make history. the u.s. women's soccer team taking on vietnam tonight as they try to become the first team ever to win a world cup three-peat. competitive brother. check. psych! and i'm about to steal this game from you just like i ole kelly carter in high school. you got no gamdude, that's a foul! and now you're ready to settle the ore. game over. and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage, well, you could end up paying for all this yourself.
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welcome back to "cnn news central." here are some of the other headlines we've been watching this hour. a new form of protest may soon join the mass demonstrations against israel's controversial judicial reform plan. more than 1,000 israeli air force reservists including pilots and drone operators say they will stop volunteering if this bill passes. keep in mind the first vote is on monday. the law would strip israel's supreme court of the power to declare that government decisions are unreasonable. one of the few checks on that government. meantime, the soccer world is buzzing today. the heavy favored u.s. women's national team is on a quest to win an unprecedented third-straight world cup title. they're playing their first game tonight against vietnam whose coach acknowledges they have a steep hill to climb. >> we know that we have a tough opponent ahead of us, especially after watching them play against
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germany. >> translator: we are far behind the u.s. team, but the u.s. is a very strong team. it is like a mountain we must climb. and it is sweet, delicious justice for a cadbury egg criminal. a british man whom police dubbed the easter bunny just got 18 months in jail for stealing 200,000 of the coveted chocolate cream eggs. that's about $40,000 worth. authorities say he broke into an industrial unit and hauled off the sugary stash in his truck. brianna? >> quite a stomach ache. happening now, the justice department is planning legal action against texas over its placement of floating barriers on the rio grande river. this is in addition to the doj's ongoing assessment of the state's alleged mistreatment of migrants after several disturbing reports. and now democratic lawmakers are asking president biden to investigate. cnn's priscilla alvarez is on
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this story for us. what are you learning here? >> reporter: this marks an escalation in the feud between president joe biden and texas governor greg abbott on a delicate political issue, that being immigration. in this letter that we obtained, doj sent it to texas governor abbott yesterday. they said they plan legal action against the use of the floating barriers that you see there. and they say that texas put these up without authorization. now there is humanitarian concern here. in their letter, doj ticks off that they have violated federal law, raised humanitarian concerns, presented serious risk to public safety and the environment, and that this may interfere with government activities. now this is separate from the ongoing assessment into the mistreatment of migrants. but what it does note is, again, that humanitarian concern. so there is some relationship between these buoys and the concern that it poses and the risk that it poses to migrants. now the texas governor has replied saying that it is his
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sovereign authority to defend our border. but again, this is significant simply because i have been talking to sources for months, and there was ongoing discussions between the department of homeland security and the justice department about the actions that they were seeing along the texas-mexico border and the concerns it was raising internally because of the risk it posed to migrants and to border patrol agents. now they are taking that step. while it's focused on the floating barriers, there are questions as to whether they move forward with anything on the mistreatment of migrants. >> the texas governor seems to be in a comfortable place, though, receiving this criticism that he is receiving. he doesn't seem to mind it. >> reporter: no, and he has seized on the texas-mexico border, and the border in general, saying the president hasn't handled it. he has been at the center of a lot of lawsuits going against the immigration policy of this president. so this, by doing this, the justice department, it does escalate this. and it will be interesting to see where it goes for here because it is very politically sensitive. >> certainly is. great reporting.
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barbenheimer. it is the blockbuster double feature we didn't even know the world needed. but it's taking movie theaters and social media by storm. two highly anticipated summer movies dropped today. we're talking about "barbie" and "oppenheimer." two very different flicks. very different, by the way.
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audiences are just grabbing up these tickets this weekend to see one of them, both of them. just as this huge strike is shutting down hollywood. >> yeah. let's take you to new york now with cnn's jason carroll. and jason, this is the kind of marketing that hollywood dreams of. and it's especially coming at a time when hollywood has kind of slumped at the box office. >> absolutely. i mean, when you think about what's happened here, this is something that is completely generated by fans. this is fan-driven for sure. and it's not really a xreegs so much even though as we've been standing out here we've seen lots of people walking by wearing pink, some people shouting "oppenheimer first." but what this is really about to some of the fans is it's about which film they should see first. ♪ probably not much of a surprise when one hears something odd has come out of hollywood. but now there's this. >> the world will remember this
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day. >> reporter: that's not a clip from a real movie. it's a fan-driven mashup o and it's the answer to anyone out there trying to figure out what to do when two potentially blockbuster films open on the same day. "barbie." >> hi, barbie. >> hi, barbie. >> hey, barbie. >> reporter: and "oppenheimer." >> this is a matter of life and death. >> reporter: the internet's answer is to see both. "barbenheimer." >> i saw barbie in the morning, i saw oppenheimer in the afternoon. >> how did that go? >> if was the right way to do it. >> i think you see barbie afterwards again. a barbie chaser. >> reporter: there are tiktoks, tweets and t-shirts, even a barbenheimer wikipedia page promoting what has become a viral marketing phenomenon pushing moviegoers to try both. >> so i see you've got your barbie pink on. so the question is will you see barbie and oppenheimer or just one? >> oh, yeah, both. both. we kind of liked the idea of
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walking into oppenheimer with full pink. >> it's the barbenheimer experience. >> reporter: both films are worlds apart. >> you guys ever think about dying? >> reporter: on the one hand you have director greta gerwig's fantasy comedy about a doll experiencing an existential crisis and has to go to the real world to resolve it. the company behind it, warner brothers discovery, parent company of cnn. and on the other you have christopher nolan's biographical thriller for universal about a physicist credited for creating, well, you know. >> i mean, i'll be going to see barbie 100%. i can't wait to see it. i think it's just great for the industry and for audiences that we have two amazing films by amazing filmmakers coming out the same day. >> it's a perfect double bill. i think actually start your day with barbie, then go straight into oppenheimer and then barbie chaser. >> reporter: could a double feature about a plastic doll and the so-called father of the
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atomic bomb breathe much-needed life back into a movie industry hit hard by streaming, disappointing post-pandemic box office, and now actors and writers on strike? >> i think this is the best thing that's happened to movie theaters in a very long time because it's happening really organically. >> reporter: and a little bit of movie history for you. a little bit of trivia. back in the day some 15 years ago there was another mashup. back then it was "the dark knight" versus "mamma mia." that was more like a competition. and at the end of the day both films ended up doing well, competing against each other in some ways. worldwide "the dark knight" ended up making a billion dollars. "mamma mia" i think made more than $600 million. again, this time around not so much a competition. back then they both benefited from repeat viewing and international viewers getting into the seats as well. this go-around it's going to
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require both the international audiences weighing in and going out to see both of these films and repeat viewing as well. but it's very clear so far both of these films off to a pretty good start. back to you. >> and jason, with folks that you've been speaking to out there is there a preference? i imagine that a lot of folks are eager to see both of these films but perhaps they're leaning one direction this weekend. >> good question. i would put my money on most people going out to see barbie first. simply because it's a shorter film. oppenheimer, three-hour film. we'll see. >> ooh. >> very long. >> very big attention span to pay attention to both those two movies back to back. >> if you have three hours, spend it with us. >> good call. every afternoon right here on cnn. jason carroll live in new york. thanks so much. we still have much more news to come. stay tuned.
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